one of the reasons im uncomfortable with hiei being like an “uke” or whatever (i forgot the yoai terms already lmao) is because people always exaggerate how childish he is. and i do think hiei can be childish (like when kaitou said “dont say the word hot” and he was the first to go “oh hot? you dont want me to say the word hot? hot, that word?”) but making him look and act like a child for the purposes of a sexual relationship is really… :/ at least ukerama is a grown up and feminine.

parisiansulfur:

yyh-revival:

real quick thing to add: its one thing if you wanna write kurahi with daddy kink or age play or whatever–its not my thing but u do u as long as its safe sane a nd consensual–but like. specifically forcing someone to fit into a childlike role in order to fulfill a stereotypical and unrealistic (and, arguably, offensive) sexual situation is kind of… :/

Yes, when choosing between the two, I always prefer feminine Kurama over childish Hiei. Not to say they can’t be done without those – plenty of fics, some doujins, and art exists that portrays them as neither of those things. But there is nothing wrong with being a feminine man, or a woman, and even twisting a character to be more of something isn’t the worst. Neither is necessarily making a character more innocent or young, but it does leave me a bit… more uneasy. If I have to choose between wailing maiden Kurama and literal child Hiei, I’d rather go for Kurama.

Some more tidbits under cut. Long, half formed thoughts regarding Doujinshi, sexual assault, and this whole uke/seme with regards to Hiei and Kurama, and which I prefer based on the fanworks available to us.

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I would like to argue that there’s a TON of doujinshi of Kurama seme/Hiei uke without sexual assault.

It’s just that those aren’t the ones being translated.

Maya has a TON of doujinshi that’s been translated. She does shota.

Arina Toshimi has a TON of doujinshi that’s been translated. She does rape/noncon.

Even Katsuragi Shou has stuff that’s questionable: a lot of “frigid” Hiei being “coerced” into sex he ultimately enjoys, but also a lot of stuff that isn’t rapey at all. Fuji Shinichi has a “Two Chests” arc about Kurama and Hiei, in which Kurama falls in love with Hiei having seen him being raped as a child (???) but then a ton of stuff that’s just fine. Kame is noncon free (as far as I can remember), and Tsuta Hiroko too. 

So ¯_(ツ)_/¯ this has MUCH less to do with some weird dynamic that Japanese doujinka are putting on Kurama and Hiei, and MUCH more to do with a discrepancy between what’s available in total and what ends up being accessible to a non-Japanese audience. 

Of course not! I’m not saying all doujinshi are like this. But from what I’ve seen, the trend still stands. Even if there is only 1% of all doujinshi that is like this, it is way more skewed toward Hiei than Kurama, and from all the doujinshi I have seen translated it tends to happen worryingly often. Again, this isn’t saying anything negative about Hiei being a “uke” at all, nor is it a condemnation of Japanese fandom. Just an observation I’ve made. If this skewing is the fault of translation choice, then of course we can say the English speaking fandom is strange for choosing to focus so much on these works. 

As for the examples, Kame doesn’t really have nsfw, (at least none I’ve ever seen?). Tsuta Hiroko has some questionable stuff, too, at least in my opinion. “Get Bigger” seems to imply Hiei is uncomfortable with anal, at least from how I’ve read it. Inequalities of Love is better, but there, too, Hiei pushes away, is forced down, yells a lot and protests, and while it isn’t all bad, in light of all the other ones, it sort of does follow a trend. 

If you know of a few that aren’t like this that are RAW, let me know, maybe we can translate those to even out the numbers!

And again, this isn’t a condemnation, but an observation, and why I personally choose to prefer certain dynamics over others, when given the choice between this specific binary.

– Mod Lola

EDIT: Pls don’t take this conversation seriously… >_>; it’s just observations and a thought experiment about the two polar extremes. Just wanted to make that clear! 

What is your review about USAnoOMAKE doujinshi pOrnography you gave a warning not to watch if your a kuwabara are you a kuwabara did you feel bad for hiei after you saw the Doujinshi why did kuwa feel sad after he raped hiei I did not understand the meaning

I’m not 100% sure what this is asking. I gave a warning that Kuwabara was portrayed in a very bad light. 

tw: sexual assault talk below cut.

As for the meaning – well, I don’t think we can decide on a specific meaning for any work of art. It’s however you see it. The way I saw it, this person (who looked like Kuwabara, but come on, no way would he do such a thing) didn’t think what he was doing was that serious. He did talk about making him feel good and crap like that. So when Hiei started to cry, perhaps he realized he really hurt him. 

– Mod Lola

charls-lamen:

We all have that character we like but also love to hurt in stories. Be a sadist to your favs. For Togashi clearly that person is Kurama

Usually in like a situation where he’s kinda stuck and has no choice but to get hurt till he or someone else figures out how to stop the attacker

Except for that last one. Really? You couldn’t just have Kurama tackle Hiei and throw dust in his eye? It was really 100% necessary to get impaled?

This is right after they rescue Yukina and are talking about what could have happened. and how Hiei would have been arrested if he killed a human.

So lemme get this straight

Demons fuck around with humans, attack them, torture them, kill them, kidnap them and the spirit world makes then suffer consequences.

A human fucks around with demons and pulls the same bullshit and fuck all happens?

That’s racist. Or …I guess speciest? Seriously though that’s some bullshit system you running there Koenma

On a happier note

Hiei went through quite a few changes in personality over the series especially when he went from villain to major protagonist. He talked so much more as villain. It was kinda surreal.

But I’m glad the most important about him was kept the same.

His inability to keep on a shirt throughout a whole fight. RIP every single sleeveless shirt Hiei has ever owned

(Part 1)

( Part 3 )

Do you know any good fics about ‘yukina learns the truth’ or ‘hiei needs to stop being a repressed dumbass and comes clean to yukina’?

just2dreamofyou:

yyh-revival:

Hmm, not specifically no. Followers, some help, please? 🙂

– Mod Lola

Coughs loudly.

We have one suggestion 🙂

– Mod Lola

one of the reasons im uncomfortable with hiei being like an “uke” or whatever (i forgot the yoai terms already lmao) is because people always exaggerate how childish he is. and i do think hiei can be childish (like when kaitou said “dont say the word hot” and he was the first to go “oh hot? you dont want me to say the word hot? hot, that word?”) but making him look and act like a child for the purposes of a sexual relationship is really… :/ at least ukerama is a grown up and feminine.

real quick thing to add: its one thing if you wanna write kurahi with daddy kink or age play or whatever–its not my thing but u do u as long as its safe sane a nd consensual–but like. specifically forcing someone to fit into a childlike role in order to fulfill a stereotypical and unrealistic (and, arguably, offensive) sexual situation is kind of… :/

Yes, when choosing between the two, I always prefer feminine Kurama over childish Hiei. Not to say they can’t be done without those – plenty of fics, some doujins, and art exists that portrays them as neither of those things. But there is nothing wrong with being a feminine man, or a woman, and even twisting a character to be more of something isn’t the worst. Neither is necessarily making a character more innocent or young, but it does leave me a bit… more uneasy. If I have to choose between wailing maiden Kurama and literal child Hiei, I’d rather go for Kurama.

Some more tidbits under cut. Long, half formed thoughts regarding Doujinshi, sexual assault, and this whole uke/seme with regards to Hiei and Kurama, and which I prefer based on the fanworks available to us.

Since this blog posts doujinshi, I think it’d be wrong if I didn’t mention the Kurahi trends in those. Fanfiction seems to do this better, but the doujinshi… well, they’re quite full of dubious consent (and some right out sexual assault). Almost all of them focus on Hiei. Another reason perhaps, that I personally seem to favor, if I have to choose, bottom Kurama. 

To reiterate, I do not think characters should be boxed in in either role, nor do I like Kurama bottoming or topping all the time, and neither do I think that penetrative sex is a must in nsfw media. There are plenty of ways to write these scenes and interactions without ever having to resort to such a dynamic. This conversation is more about if we are forced to choose one over the other. 

And this can be perhaps a bit hypocritical of me, as I’ve stated I don’t like today’s fandom having reacting to past Kurama-feminization by going to the other extreme and refusing to let the poor boy have some dick, but again, this is more of a thought experiment on if we have to choose between the two uke/seme dynamics with the current fanworks we have. 

So, that being said… Doujinshi…. Oh, my precious doujinshi. There’s definitely less Kurama uke, but there are some common threads. Yes, he’s always softer and gentler and more feminine in them, but out of all the ones I can remember off the top of my head, essentially all of them are consensual relationships between two people who are on a more or less equal level in physical maturity. I actually can’t think of any “romantic” doujinshi where Kurama is a victim of sexual assault or even finds himself in dubious consent situations. 

Which is sorta the opposite of what Western fandom likes to do to him… but those fics >_> we all know are supposed to be like that. Whereas these doujinshi portray these dubious consent issues as romantic. 

So, in Hiei’s case, there are numerous doujinshi where he is flat out assaulted, mostly by Yoko, but also by redhead Kurama. Arina Toshimi is famous for this. Her works range from sorta dubious, like “Costume Play,”

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SFW picture, but the gist is that Kurama pulls Hiei into a bathroom, and while it seems its consensual, Hiei does seem a bit hesitant. That’s the most consensual Arina does, however… Her longest running work, The Cruelest Love in the World, while it does contain one of my favorite Arina panels – this one;

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– Also contains a lot of forced sexual encounters. Even the one in the panel above is coerced; Hiei is drugged so that he is experiencing intense sexual desire, something Yoko Kurama did to him (the two are separated in some aspect and Yoko is quite evil), and Kurama, instead of finding a drug to help him or put him to sleep, essentially sleeps with him, knowing Hiei can’t really let himself say no in this position… and this is the “softest” of assaults Kurama commits in this series. 

Even the more innocent “Kiss” from Arina, plays up Hiei’s innocence and is also predatory; Hiei doesn’t know what kissing is, doesn’t understand the romantic and sexual implications, and Kurama, knowing this, kisses him anyway. He even mentions that should Hiei find out what it means, he’d stop letting Kurama kiss him, implying that if Hiei did know it was a romantic/sexual action, he wouldn’t be comfortable with it. 

Then there are ones where either Yoko or Kurama flat out assault him. (examples, 1 2 – in the second one, Kurama, the nice redheaded one we all know to be relatively kind, even admits Hiei will likely want to kill him for this.)

I’m actually having trouble remembering a single Doujinshi where Kurama tops Hiei where there isn’t some dubious consent. Even my favorite, Hiei’s Punishment Arc, has dubious consent. It took me multiple readings to finally come to a decision on where their relationship lies in that one (they are together, but Hiei doesn’t like how forward/needy Yoko is, and seems much less interested in sex than Kurama. So Kurama does all sort of shitty things to get Hiei to have more sex with him, from lying to him, entrapping him in a magical relationship that forces Hiei to return to him, and literally pushing him till Hiei just gives in – all very not cool things). And that’s the best example I can think of…

Whereas Kurama, while more feminine and “wailing maidenly,” always seems to consent and not be as violently upset as Hiei (Hiei often literally runs away, attacks Kurama, or at the very least verbally shows his dislike of what happened).

Kurama will occasionally weakly protest, as in this excerpt , or show surprise at the turn of events, but these protests are usually more of a “not now, not here, slow down, wait, this is sudden” sort of protests not “I don’t like it, I don’t want it, stop it, leave me alone, I’m going to kill you for it.” There is quite a big difference between the two.

Of course, as I said earlier, other fanworks do better. Not everything is doujinshi. But it is a trend found in the Japanese part of the fandom, at least. And, in my opinion, it is a possible consequence of portraying someone as innocent and younger than their partner.

So, as far as most of the Kurahi content out there that falls into these two categories, I prefer bottom Kurama. Of course, my preference would be if neither of these extremes were so prevalent, or if they were thrown out in favor of more nuanced explorations of these characters and their possible sex lives. But if forced to choose between those two extremes, I am more comfortable with Kurama being the wailing maiden. 

– Mod Lola 

EDIT: This isn’t to say dark works are always wrong (I enjoy a darkfic now and then >_>)! But to portray them as romantic is my issue. Wanted to make that clear.

Ask Prompt: Would you rather…?

yyhfanfiction:

Thanks to some very fuzzy drunken fun, I would like to bring to you all this ask prompt of YYH-themed would you rather’s. I put the list together and put it in alphabetical order, but the credit for the content is to myself, @wistfulsin, @rainestrife, @silverwing013, and Spirit-Flyswatter. Posted with their permission. Enjoy!

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  1. Attend a work party with Suzuki or a serious event like a
    funeral with Chu?
  2. Babysit Rinku or Amanuma?
  3. Be comforted by Kurama or Kuwabara on the worst day of your
    life?
  4. Be on Shizuru’s shitlist or Mukuro’s?
  5. Bromance (or whatever the female version of that is) with
    Natsume or Mukuro?
  6. Build a treehouse with Koenma or road trip with Sniper
    (post-Sensui)?
  7. Bumper cars with Kurama or Yusuke?
  8. Dance with Jin or Kuwabara?
  9. Deal with hella drunk Hiei making dragon flirting puns
    (wanna see my dragon) or try to beat Yusuke at poker?
  10. Deal with Hiei’s temper or Kurama’s?
  11. Do a promposal to Touya or Suzuka?
  12. Easter egg hunting with Kuwabara or eye spy with Kurama?
    Plot twist: eggs have booze sippies and the eye spy is in a strip club.
  13. Explain the entire plot of the Twilight saga in detail to
    Yomi or to Elder T.?
  14. Finger paint with 8-year-old Yusuke or Kuwabara?
  15. Footsies with Raizen or Yomi?
  16. Garden with Shuichi/Kurama or Yoko Kurama?
  17. Get a tattoo with Hiei or get a tattoo of Hiei that he knew
    about?
  18. Get drunk with Yusuke or Chu?
  19. Get to play at the arcade with Amanuma whenever you wanted
    or kitten sit Eikichi?
  20. Get tutored by Kurama or with (not by) Kuwabara?
  21. Go bobsledding with Touya or wind surfing with Jin?
  22. Go to a crossdressing competition with Yusuke or Kuwabara?
  23. Go to Karaoke with Hiei or Sakyo?
  24. Go to the bar with Suzaku or the club with Rando?
  25. Haircut from Kazuma or Botan?
  26. Have a hungry Koenma for a house guest or Suzuka with his
    hair messed up?
  27. Have Kurama or Hiei read the fanfiction you’ve written about
    them?
  28. Hug fight with Chu or Yusuke?
  29. Kuwabara or Hiei make you dinner?
  30. Let Hiei thaw your hot pocket or let Yusuke heat it up?
  31. Make macaroni art with 6-year-old! Hiei or Kurama?
  32. Make macaroni art with 6-year-old! Yusuke or Kuwabara?
  33. Massage from Hiei or Kurama?
  34. Meet momma Shiori as Kurama’s SO or ancestor-papa Raizen as
    Yusuke’s SO?
  35. Meet Shiori or Atsuko?
  36. Mow the lawn with Kuwabara or Hiei?
  37. Party plan with Botan or Suzuka?
  38. Play cards against humanity with Yusuke or Chu?
  39. Play pool/billiards with Kurama or Kaito?
  40. Raising their child while keeping the father’s identity a
    secret: Hiei or Kurama?
  41. Romantic night with Elder T. or fistfight with Younger T.?
  42. Sleepover with Botan or Shizuru?
  43. Spend a day at the amusement park with Jorge or the aquarium with
    Yukina?

  44. Spend a day on the job with Yusuke or Botan?
  45. Styling your hair: Yusuke or Hiei?
  46. Suffer through a power outage with which of the main four?
  47. Take care of a sick Kurama or be taken care of by Kurama
    when you’re sick?
  48. Take Yusuke, Chu, and Koto to a Mixed Martial Arts
    tournament or deal with the crazy mob of a Megallica concert with Kuwabara and
    his three boys?
  49. Try to steal from Hiei or Yomi?
  50. Weightlifting with Hiei or Kurama?
  51. Yoga with Kurama or Hiei?
  52. You need someone to pretend to be your parent for school:
    Hiei or Koenma?

iwroteyoualoveletter:

The other week Nobuyuki Hiyama was a guest on Megumi Ogata’s AbemaTV show “Seiyuu to Yoru Asobi.” (Thanks to @thekazumakuwabara for tipping me off!) It’s his 30th anniversary since debuting as a seiyuu– he was only 5 years into the business and 25 years old when he got the role of Hiei. The two talked about old projects and new, and of course YYH was brought up a bunch. 

Highlights:

– They played the clip when Hiei and Kurama were first introduced, much to Ogata’s dismay. She retold the story mentioned in the Livedoor interview about that first session, and how she didn’t know which mic to jump in on to record. Hiyama did his best panicked impersonation of her and she defended herself reminding everyone it was her debut. 

– They talked a little about the new OVA for Two Shots, and their feelings of, roughly, “It’s usually easy to return to a character, but these were the characters before we played them, so that was kind of hell.” They are looking forward to its release. 

– Hiyama finds Hiei really funny, because although he has a certain “baddy” image to him, he’s actually quite chatty, especially in fights. He talks himself up so much, especially when he’s introduced, and Hiyama thinks that really stands out about his personality. 

– They watched he promo video for the OVA together, which lead to the revelation that Tomomichi Nishimura, the narrator, was approached one day to play a nameless blue ogre. Naming him Jorge Saotome was a decision the seiyuu made himself on the fly with an ad-lib, and it stuck. They love him. In the preview, Jorge says, “I’m in it too!” which confused Ogata because she didn’t remember seeing him, but Hiyama says he was narrating Two Shots and is also featured in “Sink or Swim.”